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you take a detailed look at the number of folks that dropped out of the workforce. keep in mind, obama care comes into effect on january 1st, as well. that will have a drag on job creation. you're seeing employers pull back in anticipation of that going into fuller effect. i think it's going to be a tough couple of months, without a doubt. >> what a shame, a real shame because it's self-inflicted. congressman, good to have you on the program. thank you. >> thanks, maria. >> we will see you very soon. the turn around story of the year, bank of america is up better than 100% year-to-date. how is that for a return in 2012? up next, mending capitals anton sheri shiff is with me. and then you don't want to miss scott wapner's trade of 2012, do you? did you own any of them? should you be owning them? we'll take a look. [ male announcer ] how do you trade? with scottrader streaming quotes, any way you want. fully customize it for your trading process -- from thought to trade, on every screen. and all in real time. which makes it just like having your own trading floor, right at your fingertip
will never be hit by it. there's one of the challenges that you have is obama, when he ran for office four years ago, said he'd never raise taxes on anyone who made less than $200,000, married people less than $250,000, but the new pledge made in 2012 said that his plan, this was august 8th, and since then, obama says my plan is that if you make less than $200,000 you'll see no income tax increase next year, so obama's new commitment is only the income tax, only for one year. >> right. >> and, of course, we're all paying higher taxes in january because of obama care. >> okay. >> taxes on capital gains. >> let me ask you this though, grover. i can imagine you wear it as a badge of honor to this the senate majority leader on the floor of the senate invoking your name in frustration because there are people on the republican side who are, you know, following your -- your lead to not raise taxes, but let's face it. you were in -- you were imposing this no higher tax in a different era, at a different time, in a different part of the economic cycle. aren't we at a point now economically where t
of u.s. stocks next. >>> and as the fiscal cliff turns, president obama campaign style once again today. this time in michigan. that after talking with house speaker john boehner over the weekend. their firps one on one in weeks. is that why republicans are saying they would swallow higher taxes for the right deal on spending cuts? we'll talk to tom cole who is making that case in just a few minutes. >>> bmw and mercedes are looking for the best selling luxury brand in the united states. wait until you hear what your money can get you these days. you're watching cnbc. as you can see, geico's customer satisfaction is at 97%. mmmm tasty. and cut! very good. people are always asking me how we make these geico adverts. so we're taking you behind the scenes. this coffee cup, for example, is computer animated. it's not real. geico's customer satisfaction is q rea this computer-animated coffee tastes dreadful. geico. 15 minutes could save you 15 % or more on car insurance. someone get me a latte will ya, please? >>> is the u.s. consumer in trouble? the front page on this morning's "wall
that, plus obama care, could force him to lay off workers. he joins us now to make his case. >> welcome, sir. >> thank you very much for joining us. tell us in your own words what you're most fearing here >> you know what? we've got this r & d tax credit that has not been renewed, hitting our bottom line by 2%, 2.5%. think about it. these are high-paying jobs that we hire. it was just announced that china surpassed the u.s. in patent applications just last year. the r & d tax credit goes to hiring and expanding our r & d research. that and obama care, obama care just hit us by 19.5%. our medical costs are going up next year by 19.5%. so what can we do? we'll have to adjust our costs and get them in line. we compete in the worldwide economy, and our costs are going up. >> how much did that loss of the r & d tax credit cost your company as well? >> it cost us about 2.5%, 2% on the bottom line. >> and if the r & d tax credit does not come back, how many people might you have to let go next year? >> so what we have is we've got the 2%, 2.5% that we lost in the bottom line and obama care hit
the lows of the afternoon after news that president obama and speaker boehner are set for another meeting today on the fiscal cliff, one hour from right now. take a look at how the markets are settling out tonight. as soon as we got that announcement the market went from down 90 to down 50 and it's creeped lower since with a decline on the session of 80 points, finishing at 13,167. a decline of three-quarters of 1% at 2992 on the nasdaq and the s&p gave up 9 at 1419 and the federal reserve and the fiscal cliff weighed in on this market. how do you position yourself? joining me to discuss that our guests. gentlemen, nice to have you on the program. thanks so much for joining us. let me kick this off with you in terms of allocating capital right here in the face of so much uncertainty, fiscal cliff, federal reserve. what is going to be the dominant force in terms of moving money? >> i think you don't fight the fed. i think what happened yesterday is a little bit more of the same we had this year which is the fed is going to try to keep interest rates low until it moves people off the risk s
was ready to make some deal on taxes with president obama. that's a sign to me that he's going to clear the decks to try to push through a deal. it's a sign that we're going get some kind of tax increases for the top 2%. i don't know where those numbers are going to be. pretty clear to me that a deal is in the works and we're heading in that direction. what i'm not sure of is whether the market will go up on this, necessarily. >> in terms of that january effect, bob, does that even matter this year? >> yes, look, it's not long from anybody, january and february are the best months of the year. that's a factor. >> let me ask you about putting money to work, keith springer. you say we're going to get a deal regardless. we may get a deal regardless, but that deal means probably higher taxes and lower spending. what are the areas in the economy in your view that get impacted most by a deal? >> well with, we're going to have less spending in the economy next year, which is going to slow down growth, which is where a bear market will come in, but not right away. there's so much negative senti
do we do? if you were advising president obama, what would you do right now? what would you advise? >> well, he didn't call me, but if he had -- >> really? >> surprise. >> i would tell -- to be honest, i would tell him to take a few lessons from his defeated challenger. what i would do is i would focus primarily on four things. i would say, one, we need to get a better tax code, a much more pro-growth, pro-markets, pro-jobs tax code. we need to encourage economic trade with other countries. i mean really significant economic trade. one of the things i will give president obama credit for is he was able to get through the three free trade agreements that were negotiated by president bush at the end of his term and did not go through congress until president obama did that later on in his term. that's commendable. i'd like to see a lot more of that. the third would be a much more cautious dwrie regulation, the kind of regulation that actually works. more of a cost benefit analysis approach. the fourth is spending control. we jumped from 21% of gdp to 25% of gdp in spending in one yea
. the first is the obama rich. we know those are folk who is make $250,000 or more a year. about 2.8 million of them. the obama rich account for about 2% of total tax filers. the boehner rich are more of an elite club. those who make $1 million or more a year. there are about 368,000 of them. about .2 of the top 1%. raising taxes on that group raises a lot less revenue. if we raise taxes to 39.6% of the obama rich we get around $44 billion next year. we raise taxes on the boehner rich, that gives us less than half that amount, about $20 billion. aside from the smaller numbers, the boehner rich also get more of their income from capital gains which are of course taxed at a lower rate. so raising their income tax rate has less of an impact. and $20 billion is still a lot of money. and boehner's offer is just a starting point. they could agree to a midpoint. but in government terms, boehner's plan is more valuable for its politics than its economics. back to you. >> all right, robert. thank you so much. robert, stay with us. so the tax revenue from the boehner rich may not make much of a dent w
't have the hand the time they had last time. obama's got the mandate. >> oh, he doesn't have a mandate. what are you going like this? >> one of the weakest presidents we've had in a president. >> 75% of people approve of taxing the top 2% and obama won the election. that's a mandate. >> well, look, i think the republicans have misplayed this hand for a year. they could have had a much better rhetorical plan talking about cuts. >> i agree on that. >> and we let them raise taxes, applaud the president and thank you very much and we come back in january and we talk about cuts. >> we're talking a lot about politics but i'm trying to get at one specific thing. i'm not a near-term trader, i'm not a day trader, i like to look long term but i want to know what's going to happen in the next two weeks because i want to know if we'll be able to get stocks at lower prices and how sizable the selloff might be. if we don't get a deal next week. >> i think it sells off, yeah. >> how much? >> hundreds of points on the s&p at least, because this market wants to go, maria. financials, earnings not great
by sloegt concentration of wealth and power. this is steeper than even president obama's proposal. obama, of course, wants the 45% rate but only applied to estates valued at 3.5 million or more. any cliff deal will have to include the estate tax, and that fight is just beginning. maria? >> amazing, another big fight over the estate tax. >> starting right now so a lot to look forward to. >> robert frank with the latest there. breaking news on mollycorp. over to you, brian. >> i followed this rare earth company for a couple of years and mark smith, the ceo and face of the company, no longer the ceo. i can tell you sources tell me, kind of a board decision as they say they are growing to an operational company. the company's also been investigated by the s.e.c. i'm ted the s.e.c. investigation does not have anything to do with this muff but a hi high-flyers. getting red pretty hard right now. still above $10. looked at his insider buying and selling. sold a lot last year and was in the process of buying some some of the shares this year. mark smith no longer the ceo and face of mcp. back to
turn, we're simply not going to see the democrats take them up on that because president obama since that letter has won the election and now we're looking at the possibility of a mini deal that would get enacted before january 1st but so far all we've heard are the sounds of silence in the negotiations. a senior white house official told me today when i asked was there any holiday season progress, back channel progress over the past couple of days, got a one-word reply, no. second, the democratic senate leadership says there's a 50/50 chance that we'd get a deal between now and january 1st, but they don't have any progress signs to point to in a tangible way. that's sort of a gut feeling that that will happen, and senate republican leadership aides said we haven't heard anything from the white house or senate democrats, so right now it's looking stalemated. there still is time for people to come back and pass a temporary kick the can kind of solution that would at least get us past january 1st for a month, two months, three months, but we've got to wait and see over the next couple
of the big problems we have is if you look at this president obama proposaproposal contains fiscal stimulus republicans object to. it will be hard to get fiscal stimulus through this year. monetary stimulus from the federal reserve is very much alive. >> absolutely. let me get your take on what we see happening here because we have breaking news on oracle. once again, more companies paying a dividend this year not waiting for next year because they want to be sure investors have a chance to get attacked at 15% capital gains tax or dividend tax as opposed to much higher because we know that taxes will probably go higher in 2013. oracle is accelerating payments of 2013 dif dens. they're going to pay second quarter, third quarter and fourth quarter dividends this month. gordon, what has that done to trading and investing environment? all these special dividends. oracle is doing it now, second quarter, third quarter dividends this month so investors can get taxed at the 2012 dividend rate. >> it's bigger than that because it's not only the corporation themselves but corporate executives. cashin
conferences we had over the fiscal cliff. president obama came out and said the republicans have a hard time saying yes to me. that was one of the stranger things today but john boehner came out and walked off without answering any questions and said he was introducing his plan "b" and offered no counterproposals and in fact largely ignored what the president had to say and that's when we moved to the downside. take a look at vix, volatility index actually showed some life. up about 11%. that's about a one-minute high. sectors not having a very good day. one group that's ignoring all of this action, that's the airline stocks, a new high for the airline index, maria, and that's been a big market mover recently on better metrics. two stocks on the downside. general electric. held their 2013 outlook this week and maybe a little sell on the news. it came in pretty much in line and moody's placed alcoa's credit rating on a review for a possible downgrade for lower aluminum prices. maria, back to you. >> the weekend market pinned to a bad day in the fiscal cliff negotiations. john harwood at the w
a bigger discussion with president obama maybe over the weekend to go back to plan "a" so i don't think it's getting a lot of attention, but it is a very big deal that he gets it first through congress and, second, if he gets it through congress, he gains a little bit more leverage to have a bigger discussion. >> ron insana, isn't it interesting that this market is expecting a deal so much? >> yeah. >> even when we had both sides digging in. at the end of the day, money moves into equities as if investors are saying there's no way these guys won't do a deal by december 31? >> maria, so much different than what we saw last year in 2011 when the debt ceiling debacle took place. the market appears to be looking through this and seeing through all the posturing and making the bet that the deal, as you say, will get done. i like to go with the cumulative which is do. markets, the message of the markets, however you want to characterize it and think that somebody knows something a little bit better than i do on this one and, hence, they are discounting a positive rather than a negative outcome.
. the bush era tax cuts will expire at the end of this year. obama was elected with a surplus of about 3 million votes. he won the election. he campaigned on this issue. again, the speaker can't take yes for an answer. the president has presented to him something that would prevent us from going over the cliff. it was in response to something the speaker gave to the president himself, but, again, i guess with the dysfunctional republican caucus in the house even the speaker can't tell what he's going to do because he backed off even his own proposal. mr. president, the house, we hear this so often, is controlled by the reap warnings and we acknowledge that. i would be most happy to move forward on something that senator mcconnell said they wouldn't filibuster over here that he would support and that boehner would support, if it were reasonable, but right now we haven't heard anything. i don't know, and it's none of my business, i guess, although i am very serious, if the speaker and the majority leader, the republican leader over here are even talking. i mean, what's going on here? mr. p
is under extreme pressure since president obama is definitely going to be seeing a wealthy tax added to it. on the economic news, little light tomorrow with initial claims at about 390,000, but the big story is really friday as we look to the jobs report. we believe that the effect of the payroll will be at 50,000 range due to the effect of hurricane sandy which could put our unemployment up to an 8% rate. >> all right. we'll be watching that. thanks very much to you both. we appreciate it. of course we'll be looking at this market and whether or not it loses the steam come the big rally today. ticktock, ticktock on the fiscal cliff. my thoughts on the story from timothy geithner. guess what, folks. i think we're going over the cliff. back in a moment. are system spoke a language all its own with unitedhealthcare, i got help that fit my life. information on my phone. connection to doctors who get where i'm from. and tools to estimate what my care may cost. so i never missed a beat. we're more than 78,000 people looking out for more than 70 million americans. that's health in numbers. unite
the chief executives who met with president obama last week and called the conversations, quote, constructive. since then, not much progress has been made. we want to talk more about that exclusively. he's here with me to talk if he still feels that way about fiscal cliff. good to have you on the program. deloitte ceo. thanks so much for joining us. >> thanks for having me. >> i want to get to the president and your meeting and really zero in on the fiscal cliff. before we do that, i want to get to the situation around hewlett-packard and autonomy. of course, hp taking a massive write down on the acquisition of autonomy. ceo meg whitman throwing deloitte under the bus in some sense because the firm was among those charged with examining the books before the deal. what can you tell us about what you did in terms of overseeing the books at autonomy and what do you say now that she's charging this fraud? >> sure, maria. unfortunately for us, that matter has been turn the over to investigation and the authorities. believe it or not, that's one of the things i'm not on the hot seat a
you point blank. do you think president obama purposely slowed things down today? >> no, i don't think so at all. what i think he was trying to do was probably to try to send a signal to the democratic base that this didn't resolve the crisis that things were still in flux. that the spending portion of this dilemma, so-called sequester, is really critical to democrats. because democrats have compromised, given up an awful lot on spending programs that are important to us. if you do away with the sequester, you see what the alternative is. last week it was plan "b." it added money for defense. slashed money for education and food stamps and nutrition programs and medicaid. that is something that's great concern to democrats. >> what are they giving up on spending? >> what are we giving up on spending? well, actually, there's a $1.2 trillion on the table right now under our democrats who say let it go. let the across the board cuts take place. because at least in that case, defense bears a part of the burden. and under the sequester, medicaid and some other things are protected. so there
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